Losing the pastor; losing the church

Two great posts that I want to remember:

• Jason's post abandon the pastoral church is just fantastic. And it's not "get rid of the pastor"... but learning to look at the role differently. I dig this quote he uses from Todd Hunter: "...it is the task of the christian leader to learn to lead people towards following Someone Else." Tough indeed, even when you're trying. But necessary nonetheless.
  
• Pernell also has a nice one titled "Missional Church? Be Prepared to Lose." He says we can no longer "...measure 'success' as we always have - by attracting numbers: money, people, programs, projects, mission trips, souls saved, etc. We need new markers... to know if we are becoming more Jesus-y."