Showing posts with label church planting. Show all posts
Showing posts with label church planting. Show all posts

Thursday, August 29, 2019

Forty dollars and a box of hymnals


So...... I've been thinking about "church" again. Going, leaving, starting, stopping... all sort of things.

I don't really even know where to begin, or what to say. We're tired, mostly. Frustrated. Tired of trying. Maybe it's 'trying to make things work,' or 'trying to fit in'... I don't know.

Last Saturday night I was a bit drunk and I blurted out to some friends that I actually felt more ready to plant a church now than I ever had - and that's what I actually went to seminary for over twenty years ago! I don't know that I'm more ready, or simply feel like I'm running out of options. Anyway...

In my stupor, I relayed the story I'd heard Eddie Gibbs tell a number of years ago at a discussion on his book 'Emerging Churches.' I can't recall all the details, but it was a time when everyone was big into church planting and throwing oodles of money towards it. Yet he knew of a group of people who were planting churches like crazy, and their organization was providing them with a mere forty dollars and a box of hymnals to get started! And the kicker, which I can still hear him saying, "and most of them didn't know what to do with the forty dollars!!"

I've always liked that story. So it got me started thinking again about just what it would take to start a "church." You know, a church church. One fixated on making disciples, focused on Scripture, and encouraging one another in faith and good deeds, and ministering to the 'least of these,' and that sort of thing...

I've written about this before, so I looked back through my blog and found a few old posts. I want to include them here for my own personal reflection, and hopefully I may have some more to say about this later. Who knows.

But... I say all that... and I don't want anyone to think I am planning to start a church! I'm just thinking about stuff. That's all. Seriously.

Anyway... some posts I want to re-read...
 So, we will see where this goes. It's a place to start.

Thursday, November 08, 2018

One-year church


People have been trying to define "the church" forever. What is it, what should it do or be, what's right or wrong, allowed or not? There are big churches and little ones, multi-site, cell-based, home church, internet church; church, church, church, church. So what about a "one-year church"?

Once a week I meet with a friend and basically we just dream together (for about 19 years now). It's mostly about church stuff. We say we are "coaching" one another, and maybe we are, but mostly it's a safe place for us to put anything and everything out on the table and see what we can come up with. Usually it's not much.

This past week he asked me to help him think through his latest idea: One-Year Church. What if you had, say, twenty people agree to start a church that would exist for only one year? They would likely be house churches. The simpler the better. The emphasis would solely be on bible and theology. If you wanted to have singing, music, prayer or anything or nothing else, that would be up to you. All you need to do is find some people to meet for one year (once a week, I suppose), and discover Scripture and some basic theology together. After that... well, who knows. You might decide to keep meeting together; you might just stop; maybe each person go somewhere else... it wouldn't really matter. Hopefully you would have at least developed about twenty leaders along the way.

We discussed some different things like the Alpha material, the Bible Project, and things. Apparently someone else had a similar idea only it was for three months! We thought about that too.

Anyway, it's all still laying on the table, but I wanted to make note of it. I think it's an interesting concept. So I'm doing a little dreaming...

Saturday, September 16, 2017

On being a pastor

I haven't linked to any articles on the blog in awhile (or though it seems). Blogging has changed, not as many people read blogs like this anymore, and to some degree I suppose I stopped caring so much (or something like that). At any rate, this morning I ran across an article from Christian Century magazine that a friend shared on Facebook. It was a pretty lengthy read, but I read it anyway. That's what I want to link to.

It took my mind to a different time and space in some ways but also raised to the surface thoughts I've likely been having subconsciously. I don't really know if I'm still a pastor or not. I'm not all that sure I even know what one is anymore if I'm honest. "Church" as I used to think of it, and as many "churched" people think of it, is not even on my radar anymore in regard to a life of faith. The term "pastor" is even more muddled.

I know for sure I am no longer paid by a church to do anything. I do meet with several people who are considered pastors - some of whom I coach, most of whom I simply try to listen to (which is what I think most of them need). There are three right now on a regular basis, and I've recently been asked to meet with a retired pastor whose wife is dying, so I suppose it could be construed as pastoring, but it seems more like "just being there." I have also been asked to help form a sort of "ministry leadership group" at a church that has no such thing. I put that in quotation marks because though those aren't the actual words that were used, and I doubt anyone has a clue what it will look like, it was the only way I knew to describe it.

Our "Church" is a unique animal. It was formed as a non-profit organization and a church formed out of it. Um... it's been a long time since I've typed the words "church planting," but... hmm... wouldn't that be a thought?? Nah, it could never happen...  Anyway, our "church" doesn't even have 'church' in its name. It's called a 'ministry.' There is a pastor - or maybe more than one, I'm not really sure - but even the pastor doesn't fit in any sort of traditional sense. He probably spends more time selling concert tickets on the phone than doing actual "pastor" stuff (because we run a concert hall). So, I guess I say all this to say, I don't really know what a "ministry leadership group" is going to look like here. And I like that.

Alright, so this has been a whole lotta words and I've still not said anything. Yes, I was going to link to an article. Christian Century posted this article by Winn Collier entitled, "Do You Actually Want To Be Our Pastor?" It is an excerpt from one of his novels and is a story about a search committee and a pastoral candidate. As I said, it is long, but it kept me reading. It also made my eyes tear up and tugged at my heart. I'm not sure if it made me want to be a "pastor" again, or if it simply encouraged me more in the direction I currently seem headed. It did remind me of Eugene Peterson's writing in regard to pastoring, and I've been wracking my brain trying to remember the piece of paper I always kept on my office wall that was my underlying vision/value/goal/guide. It went something like, "As your pastor I want to spend time praying to God, contemplating the Scriptures, and living among you," or some such thing. You'd think I could find it on my blog somewhere, but so far it has escaped me.

And I'm getting distracted again... I should probably just stop for now. I've too many things I "need" to get done on this lazy Saturday. I will attempt a dissemination of the article at a later date (maybe), but it reminded me that I did have some good moments as a pastor - times where I think I got it right. I remember when I first started I always seemed to be telling people, "I don't want you to follow me, I want us to walk together." Unfortunately, I can also recall too many times later on when the words "us" and "them" would escape my lips, and it was not always pretty.

So, I guess this is how it's going to be today. Lots of rambling, some bad memories, but perhaps the slightest glimmer of hope that there still might be something there... somewhere.

Wednesday, September 19, 2012

Equipper assessment

I took this free "equipper assessment" on J.R. Woodward's site. I don't think it's his, but someone else's (but I was a little confused about that). Anyway, I ended up with this order for my fivefold ministry scores:
1. Dream Awakener (apostle)
2. Heart Revealer (prophet)
3. Light Giver (teacher)
4. Story Teller (evangelist)
5. Soul Healer (pastor)

I almost always come out the same for my top two (apostle and prophet), and they are pretty close. The bottom three tend to change places from time to time.

I did like what they had to say for the Apostle and the Prophet. These were worded a little different than I've seen them elsewhere.

But... I really don't put a lot of stock in these things anymore. I have to do what I have to do. Plus I'm just not all that sure how I even feel about the fivefold ministry thing in general anymore. But whatever.

Wednesday, July 06, 2011

Church

I've been thinking about church a lot lately. Even on vacation. My two weeks away from being a pastor took me to our denominations regional conference (with Neil Cole), to the Cornerstone Festival (the Jesus People), and to two different worship services (one within our denomination, but not at all like our church; and one was an AG church).

"Church" is such a peculiar term. It means something different to almost everyone. On one hand it is good that there are different strains. But on the other hand it can make it difficult. For instance, I know people - very good friends, and family - who really need a church... But you can't really just tell them they need to get involved in "a church," because depending on the church they choose, it might not be what they need. Some of them are even involved in churches, but they are not anything like what I mean by "church" and then it leaves the person thinking the church isn't the answer, or doesn't have anything to offer.

While we were back in our old hometown we attended two different Sunday morning gatherings. One at our old church - and even that group has two completely different worship services. The one we attended had a Korean worship leader, who also happened to be preaching that day. The service we attended was very laid back. The music was done with electric guitars, drums, etc., and everyone wore jeans or shorts. Communion was 'self-serve' and there was an altar call at the end. I felt very comfortable there, and felt like I had a good worship experience... I felt like God spoke to me.

The second Sunday we attended the People Church in Princeton. They are currently holding four services in their teeny building while trying to build a new one. This is a newer Assemblies of God church (though I think I recognized the sermon series from southern baptist origin). It was similar to the experience at our old church, but the atmosphere was completely different. They dim the lights during the singing time, their music - while it was guitars and drums too - was perhaps done better, and for a younger audience - and the preacher was much younger, and much more engaging. I really liked this service too, and felt equally moved by God.

Even our time at the Cornerstone Festival - while not a "church" necessarily - it was a worship gathering (though it was outside, and lasted a week). Very laid back, very loud music, very varied in the style and dress and demographic even of the attendees. Yet God spoke in a powerful way still.

Now... and I want to walk softly here (don't hear what I'm not saying)... I have to admit that while I was attending each of these gatherings, there were a lot of thoughts running through my head about my own church I am involved with. Some of them were good (we do a lot of things well that other churches don't), but some of them were not so good. I thought about how terrible our worship space is - from the lighting, to the pews, to the stage, to the sound system, to the entry way... And I also became very frustrated about passivity. As Neil Cole says, "If people coming on Sunday are passive, un-engaged consumers, then we have a weak church." To be perfectly honest... we have a weak church. We have a leadership problem, we need a new worship leader and musicians, we need more people who care about the spiritual welfare of people other than themselves... shoot, we need more people who care about others, period! Anyway, there were a whole host of things I was thinking about our church. There were a whole host of things I was thinking about other church initiatives I am involved in.

Eventually it all seems to come back to something that I was thinking at the beginning of my vacation. While at the MRC Convention I attended a break-out session on church planting. After the session ended I asked the leader a question. I wanted to ask him because he had been a mentor of mine, he is a regional church planting guy, a good friend, and someone that I knew would be honest with me. I'd also been a part of his team when he planted a church once. What I asked him was something along the lines of... "What is the most base definition of a church?" In other words, what's the minimum you need to have or do to call something a "church"? Well, I was a little disappointed in his answer. But then Neil Cole was our main speaker for three sessions, and someone asked him the exact same question.

Neil talked about the need to lower the bar on how we 'do' church (so everybody can do it), and raise the bar of what it means to be a disciple (so people will do it). I've heard that before, and believe it... But I'm still not sure about the second part. Because the disciple part seems to be the hard part. I mean, it seems like I spend almost all of my time as a pastor trying to resuscitate disciples; or I spend all my time trying to disciple disciples. It seems the people who are supposed to be disciples don't think of themselves as disciples, and still want someone to be discipling them, and then no one gets discipled because the disciples don't think they're disciples. So then it just becomes easier to 'do' church and occupy ourselves with that, and we end up with no one being discipled.

I suppose that's a little harsh, and maybe not all that true. It's just what it seems like on my first day back in the office after being gone for two weeks.

Anyway, someone asked Neil Cole what his definition of "church" was. He had a specific answer... according to Neil, "Church" is... "the presence of Jesus among his people, called out as a spiritual family to pursue his mission on this planet." I suppose that sounds alright. Pretty good for a surfer, even. But, to be honest, I don't really know that it helps me any. Like, what exactly does that even mean?

The little motto for our church is: "Finding direction by following Jesus." I think I'm going to just talk about that this Sunday for the sermon. What that means and stuff. Because I don't really know if I know what it means to be the church. While listening to Andrew Jones last week he was talking about all the people that would question him about the 'emerging church,' or the 'missional church,' or the 'house church,' and on and on and on. Finally he said he didn't really know what the differences were or that it even mattered. Basically he said something about just living as God's child and loving people like Jesus. I like that.

I just finished reading the book 'To Transform A City' by Eric Swanson and Sam Williams. Towards the end they talk about changing the scorecard - something we've been trying to do at our church. They say... (p.192-193)

For churches to really engage in community, they must first change the metrics of effectiveness. Churches have been great at counting noses and nickels, but that may not be what God is most concerned with. It's not just our Sunday morning attendance that matters. It's not just having activities in our church - it's about people actively serving in the community. It's not about the money we receive; it's about the money we give away. How many suffering people have no one to comfort them? How many children are alone in the streets of our community? Maybe we need to change our scorecard so that it matches God's and begin measuring success by the right standards - kingdom standards.

Yeah... I think that's right, but... I don't know. Like I said, I've been thinking a lot about church lately. I didn't think this post would be so long. Anyway... In the meantime I'm just going to work at loving God, and trying to love the other folks I come in contact with. I could use some help with that, Jesus.

Peace out; and in.

Wednesday, June 29, 2011

Stop funding church plants

David Fitch has a most excellent article - Stop Funding Church Plants and Start Funding Missionaries: A Plea To Denominations. I couldn't agree more, and have many thoughts to add which I may or may not do once I have some time (and vacation is over). At any rate, I wanted to remember this, and hopefully some of my churchy friends will read this too. :)

Saturday, June 18, 2011

A different kind of church

In Eric Swanson and Sam Williams' book To Transform a City they tell about some guy from somewhere - and they were talking about the difference between conversion and transformation - and he's talking about how we tend to emphasize personal conversion too much, rather than the transformation of communities/cities/societies. And this guy says (p. 67)...

We don't need to do it better. I'm not sure we need any more church plants, if they are like the ones we have now. What we need is a different kind of church.

Yep.

Tuesday, February 08, 2011

Church planting thoughts

In my reading from David Platt's book Radical yesterday, he talked about his teaching experience at an Indonesian seminary. He said before students are allowed to graduate they are required to plant a church, with at least thirty new, baptized believers, in a Muslim community (43). Can you imagine? I kinda like it.

Awhile ago I was reading through some comments from a church planting seminar here in the states. They were talking about how "cool" this one church was, and all that. Someone asked for the website of the church, because he was planning to plant a church and he wanted to visit as many of these "successful" church plants as he could so he could get an idea of what he should do. He wanted to "see what was working for others."

I actually wrote a post just about that... but decided against publishing it for a variety of reasons. At any rate, I completely understand what this guy was talking about, because I did a similar thing when I was thinking of planting a church. I visited a bunch of churches and tried to gather as much info as I could from them.

I have a much different approach now though. For one thing, I think "success" is a really crummy word, and idea, when talking about church. For another thing, all this stuff is still rooted in the attractional model of church. I can't believe our church planting people are still doing this! But for another, I think the last place we need to be looking for ideas are in already-existing churches.

I mean, if you're looking at churches in your own area (where you're going to be planting), then why do you need to duplicate what someone else is already doing there? In fact, rather than trying to see what others are doing so you can do that too, why not see what they're doing so you can do what they're NOT DOING! Rather than trying to reach those already being reached, how about trying to connect with those who are NOT presently being connected with.

Aside from that is the whole 'missional' versus 'attractional' thing. For too long church planting in the USA has just been about seeing who can put on the biggest and best show, and we've sorta forgotten about Jesus and the people he came to seek and to save. Jesus didn't just hang out a shingle and hope people showed up. He WENT to where the people were.

I say, if you're wanting to plant a church, you need to find out what the people in your area need (rather than what other churches are doing to attract a crowd). And, personally, if I were involved in church planting on a denominational level, I would be looking to see how we could help those who are already planting; rather than interviewing people looking for a handout so they can get started. It's sort of the difference between a job and a calling when it gets right down to it.

But... you know... this is just me sittin' here thinking thoughts while watching it snow.

Peace out; and in.